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by Hotbox
Thu May 14, 2020 2:53 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Back Again
Replies: 47
Views: 16214

Re: Back Again

A lot of town merchants in a lot of towns fought bypasses for the same reason. Bellevue, OH, which I'll make pertinent here by saying it was the other-end-of-the-road terminal for NKP/N&W/NS railroaders for generations up to the present day, tried to get a bypass of U. S. Route 20 for years. The me...
by Hotbox
Fri May 08, 2020 11:54 am
Forum: Historical Uncoverings
Topic: What might had been
Replies: 21
Views: 7669

Re: What might had been

I don't ever recall seeing a bridge upgrade in progress on the former Wabash here in Fort Wayne. Perhaps that is a benefit of the grade separation projects done in the early 20th century? I know bridgework was done elsewhere (during my lifetime, that is) on the HD, but in the spirit of "what doesn't...
by Hotbox
Fri May 08, 2020 10:21 am
Forum: Historical Uncoverings
Topic: What might had been
Replies: 21
Views: 7669

Re: What might had been

Bob Durnell wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 8:18 pm
Good question about the 86 footers. Did they ever have any reason to BE on the Cloverleaf?
Perhaps that curve , along with a few weight limitations here and there, is what made the decision to move most bridge traffic over to the Wabash?
by Hotbox
Thu May 07, 2020 5:56 pm
Forum: Historical Uncoverings
Topic: What might had been
Replies: 21
Views: 7669

Re: What might had been

Boy, it would be interesting to see once of those Wabash 86' box cars go around that!
How did 3 axle diesels do on that curve?
by Hotbox
Thu May 07, 2020 1:44 am
Forum: Historical Uncoverings
Topic: What might had been
Replies: 21
Views: 7669

Re: What might had been

As an aside, I also believe that some railroads only got built because fools willing to pay for them were found. Lineside communities willing to out bid their neighbors for the privilege of being online.
by Hotbox
Thu May 07, 2020 1:35 am
Forum: Historical Uncoverings
Topic: What might had been
Replies: 21
Views: 7669

Re: What might had been

I've always heard that there was a curve up by Delphos with ridiculous sharp curvature that would cost more to fix than the entire line was worth.(because of it's proximity to other lines). Personally, I think the Wabash 4th district would have been a far bigger deal, if the Wabash Pittsburgh Termin...
by Hotbox
Wed May 06, 2020 9:02 pm
Forum: Historical Uncoverings
Topic: What might had been
Replies: 21
Views: 7669

Re: What might had been

the Nickel Plate DID save the Cloverleaf, it's just that with the coming of the N&W, the Wabash made the Cloverleaf redundant. I've grown somewhat cynical over time, to the point where (I believe) most "fallen flags" that are popularly cast as an unfortunate victim of fate, were exactly the opposit...
by Hotbox
Wed May 06, 2020 11:44 am
Forum: Historical Uncoverings
Topic: What might had been
Replies: 21
Views: 7669

Re: What might had been

Just my 2 cents, but the F,FW,&W's fate was pretty much sealed when the oilfields in Findlay played out. The Cloverleaf was "saved" by the natural gas boom of the late 1880s It too played out. I don't think that tying two sinking ships together would have helped much. Ultimately not even the NKP cou...
by Hotbox
Sun May 03, 2020 11:45 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Back Again
Replies: 47
Views: 16214

Re: Back Again

Don't know if it is true or not, but when Ferguson Rd was widened, it was supposed to be Phase I of South side "bypass" like the US 30 parking lot on the North side. Well, I'm sure that Southtown mall becoming such a crime hub didn't help promote any prescience for development on that side. I know ...
by Hotbox
Sun May 03, 2020 10:25 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Back Again
Replies: 47
Views: 16214

Re: Back Again

One thing I have to admire about the 1940s plan, is the City's transparency in actually publishing something like this, "here's the direction we are headed" etc. Wish they were as forthcoming now. It's interesting to review that map in the context of things that actually did get built. Of course the...
by Hotbox
Sat May 02, 2020 8:34 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Back Again
Replies: 47
Views: 16214

Re: Back Again

I will confess that I really do not have a horse in the race as far as where the Airport Expressway terminates. The current location works adequate for me. I was just sharing the story to illustrate that our street planning today is no worse than in years past. While we are on such a wild tangent, c...
by Hotbox
Sat May 02, 2020 6:16 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Back Again
Replies: 47
Views: 16214

Re: Back Again

Well in that situation, I think I would have to side with the homeowners. Running a major thoroughfare through THAT neighborhood with the houses that close to the street is a goofy and in my opinion pointless idea. Well hey, at least we agree that the Ferguson Road improvement was a waste, and that...
by Hotbox
Sat May 02, 2020 6:00 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Back Again
Replies: 47
Views: 16214

Re: Back Again

. I'm not understanding where Foster Park played into the plan though. Am I missing something? Foster Park (as it pertains to this discussion) is a relatively narrow strip running along the river from the baseball diamonds at Hartman road on the north, to Fairfield Avenue on the south. The "as buil...
by Hotbox
Sat May 02, 2020 5:24 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Back Again
Replies: 47
Views: 16214

Re: Back Again

Just to show that the final plan to tie in at Paulding road had it's opponents as well, look at this: https://casetext.com/case/citizens-to-preserve-foster-park-v-volpe In the body of that document it references earlier efforts in 1967 to locate possible routes, which is what stirred up the homeowne...
by Hotbox
Sat May 02, 2020 1:55 pm
Forum: Historical Uncoverings
Topic: Lost Fort Wayne
Replies: 7
Views: 3372

Re: Lost Fort Wayne

Can anyone say for sure when the Wabash Passenger station was torn down? I remember it being "up and running" back in the day, and remember seeing the stairway to nowhere years later, but can't actually fill the gap in between. Was there any interim use between the end of passenger service and the w...