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Coal trains?

Post by zuluwiz » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:06 pm

I was in Edgerton today and saw two trains of hoppers going east with what sure looked like coal, and a train of empties going back. Since when does anyone ship coal east into Ohio? Was I maybe seeing something that looked like coal but wasnt? (Hint: it didn't look like coke.)

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Post by chowetrains » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:23 pm

You saw a couple of the powder river coal trains that go up to Detroit Edison's Monroe, MI power plant. The eastbound one was NS 416 and the empty westbound one was NS 667. Those trains run on a semi-regular basis up there on the Chicago line as DEEX always needs coal for its power plant.
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Re: Coal trains?

Post by rrnut282 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:22 am

Don't they turn the corner at Butler and go up the ex Wabash?
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Post by chowetrains » Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:03 pm

No, the only thing that turns the corner at Butler and goes north are CP trains because technically, CP owns that connecting track. When NS detoured a couple trains up that way during the Melburn derailment a month or two ago, they had to get a CP pilot just to use the connection track.
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Post by rrnut282 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:15 pm

I was under the impression NS built, dispatches and maintains the connecting track since it is between two NS lines. I could see paying a fee to CP, as CP most likely paid NS to build it and has exclusive rights to usage of the connecting track. Though, stranger things have happened out on the railroad.
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Re: Coal trains?

Post by Greg46m » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:10 pm

I think you are right on the money there Mike. From what I know, CP paid NS to build the interchange and pays for trackage rights over those portions of the line it utilizes. But save for an emergency, NS doesn't use the connector for it's own trains, I think that was even spelled out in the agreement from what I understand.

The coal trains to Detroit Edison in Monroe MI continue east to Toledo where they turn north and head to Monroe. There are other PRB coal trains that travel the line as well, I think their reporting marks are GEEX maybe. There's probably more than that too.
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Re: Coal trains?

Post by Chris7092 » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:01 pm

There are bucketloads of coal trains that go east on the Chicago Line. There's a set that runs to Monroe, MI (680/681); Trenton, MI (660/661); Stratton, OH (416/417); Bellevue (to interchange with the W&LE, cannot remember these symbols but they run a lot), and Toledo, OH. CSX runs just as many, if not more coal sets east, even as far as PA and NY. It's always a nice way to catch some foreign power :D

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Re: Coal trains?

Post by canpac08 » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:14 pm

The truth about the Connector track at Butler per an NS conductor out of Elkhart is this. The Lake division is an old N&W seniority district and the Chicago Line is old Conrail and is run as such.
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Post by redside20 » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:05 pm

Chris7092 wrote:There are bucketloads of coal trains that go east on the Chicago Line. There's a set that runs to Monroe, MI (680/681); Trenton, MI (660/661); Stratton, OH (416/417); Bellevue (to interchange with the W&LE, cannot remember these symbols but they run a lot), and Toledo, OH. CSX runs just as many, if not more coal sets east, even as far as PA and NY. It's always a nice way to catch some foreign power :D

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thats the 418/419

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